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one of the founders of the family research council promising therapy to help homosexuals recover caught with a rend-a-boy, some sort of field research -- resigns from his program. comments from, that's right, michael musto. all the news and commentary now on "countdown." >> it's got to hurt. >> good evening from new york. at two separate senate hearings representatives from three oil drilling companies agreed on one key fact about the gulf of mexico oil spill, it is too early to start pointing fingers at them. in our fifth story, it may be quite an appropriate time to point fingers at everybody else. the afternoon hearing kicked off with republican senators inhofe and vitter, vitter from louisiana saying not that it is
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too early for finger pointing. it is too early for congress to speak to the executives because cleanup is under way, and they are needed back on deck to resume skimming the scum from the gulf. to understand just what they were up to today, a quick tutorial on how the deepwater horizon rig worked. it was owned and operated by a company called transocean. bp hired transocean to bring the rig to the site it had leased in the gulf, and drill and operate the well there. drill, baby, drill. halliburton was hired to do the cementing, sealing the pipeline that led back to the rig. if you believed all of those companies today, we know all those companies screwed up somehow and it is too early to blame any of those companies. we begin with bp north american president lamar mckay talking about the questions bp has about halliburton's cement work and about transocean. >> why did transocean's blowout preventer, the key fail-safe
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mechanism, fail to shut in the well and release the rig? bp as a leaseholder and operator of the well hired transocean to drill that well. transocean as owner and operator of the deepwater horizon drilling rig, had the responsibility for safety of drilling operations. we don't know yet precisely what happened on the night of april 20th, but what we do know is there were anomalous pressure test readings prior to the explosion. these could have raised concerns about well control prior to the operation to replace mud with seawater in the well in preparation for setting of the cement plug. >> in his prepared remarks transocean's president steven newman reminded the senate that offshore drilling begins and ends with the operator, in this case bp. mr. newman seldom mentioned who did the cementing. halliburton. he wondered if that may be the reason the blowout preventer did not, you know, blowout prevent.
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>> the one thing we know is the evening of april 20th there was a sudden, catastrophic failure of the cement, casing or both. was the well properly designed? were there problems with the casing or the seal assembly? was the casing properly cemented? and the well effectively sealed? were all appropriate tests run on the cement and the casing? were the blowout preventers damaged by the surge that emanated from the well? >> like the other executives, halliburton safety chief had hard questions about the work done by two out of three companies testifying today. telling the senate that halliburton only did exactly what bp hired it to do and none of this would have happened if not for the failure of transocean's blowout preventer or b.o.p. >> no one should rush to judgment. however, two things can be said with some certainty. the casing shoe was cemented 20 hours prior to the tragic incident. had the b.o.p. functioned as
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expected this catastrophe would not have taken place. at the outset, i need to emphasize halliburton is a service provider to the well owner and is contractually bound to comply with the well owner's instructions and work-related activities. halliburton is confident that the mississippi cannon 252 well was completed with the requirements of the well owner's construction plan. >> deciphering the tech questions in a moment. first, because to the spill thrill on the hill with msnbc political analyst howard fineman and senior washington correspondent and political columnist for "newsweek." >> hi, keith. >> actually they left out a couple fingers in the finger pointing, as they said they did everything in line with the mms, the mineral service that oversees the drilling. the obama administration seemed to be acknowledging that there were problems there with
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the big shake-up. can you add that finger into the equation? >> by the way, after talking to democrats after the hearings, i think there should be a bs preventer up on the hill. that didn't work either. as a matter of fact. here is the thing. the minerals management service, you use the word "oversees" this process? that is precisely what they haven't been doing. that goes back to the bush administration, but, frankly, it continued in the early days of the obama administration. the fundamental problem with that agency which is part of the department of interior, is it has two conflicting jobs. one of them is to collect money from oil leases, royaltying that amount to about $13 billion a year, a big chunk of change for the federal treasury. their other job is to supposedly see the leases are proper, they won't cause environmental damage, they have been properly investigated for safety and environmental management. the fact is, this agency has been a mess for years. you may recall, keith, this is
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the agency that out in their denver office there was literally sex going on between the regulators and the industry. >> mm-hmm. >> and that's who these people are and i think the obama administration only now is seeing that they needed to begin the shakeup the moment obama came into office. >> there's oversight and there's oversight. so -- the bp shareholder who sued the company today claiming bp was knowingly cutting safety cost in violation of the commitments after the texas refinery blast, texas city and spending $16 million to lobby against tougher regulation, by which i mean fight against any regulation. >> right. >> how long is that bush era voluntary self-regulation regime going to last now? >> i think it's going to end because it's got to end. i think that's clear. what happened here is that bp presented a plan for drilling this deep well that was based on
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an earlier environmental impact statement of the whole gulf of mexico that was done under the bush administration and said, hey, the bushies said it was fine. please approve this. the person at the minerals management service that was supposed to take a close look at it said, well, okay, if the overall plan was approved for the whole gulf and it won't cause serious environmental dangers i will improve this specific one. he basically waved the thing on through last april, and now you see the result. the democrats i was talking to pointed out there is a conflict in what they said in the application for the lease, namely that they had systems to control damage that would happen and what bp and halliburton and everybody else is saying now, we are trying everything because this is all a new thing to us. >> a fair number of republicans are calling for stricter regulation. do we expect to see them onboard if bills get written or are they calling for it and hoping it happens without a bill being passed? >> let me try an analogy. you know how in those old john
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wayne movies when john wayne jumps off the stagecoach to get in with the horses not for the purpose of riding them but slowing them down. >> um-hmm. >> that is what is happening here. they are jumping down in there to slow the horses because there is a going to be a lot of sentiment on the hill to greatly restrict offshore oil drilling even though president obama proposed it. >> do you have video of that? >> of hill proposing it? >> no. of senator mckowske jumping on the horse? >> not yet, but it's early in the process. >> check with your "newsweek" colleagues. howard fineman, as always, great thanks for your imagery. >> thanks, keith. the tech side of this. let's turn to joe romm, senior fellow for the center of american progress and author of "straight up" the subtitle too long for television. thanks for joining us, joe. >> thanks for having me, keith. >> should we be relieved in a
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perverse way now we know no one was at fault? >> yeah, it was a pretty remarkable circular firing squad. bp said, hey, they just leased the rig and the blowout preventer should have avoided the whole thing. transocean said the blowout preventer didn't work because there was a blowout. halliburton said they were just following orders. i mean, really do we want these guys between us and a massive oil spill? i think the bottom line is until we really figure out what happened here we have to put the brakes on new drilling. >> everybody got blamed except the dinosaurs who died creating the oil. but you mentioned halliburton following orders. they want they were following orders not just about this spill, but a spill with totally different owners and operators last year offshore off australia. any way we can help halliburton avoid all these irresponsible oil companies that keep screwing up the good halliburton name?
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>> one has to remember this was a company run by dick cheney. >> really? i didn't know that. is it true? >> it is rumored. dick cheney is still in hiding so we are not for sure. cheney was in charge of relations for this industry for eight years. i think the only way that halliburton will avoid irresponsible companies if it stops working for british petroleum. >> did the oil industry create its own catch 22 in testimony today? either that one of them was at fault in which we can't trust them with the safety of our waters and shores or none of them was at fault in which case there might be no way to prevent this from happening again for certain and either way doesn't that mean no more drilling? >> yeah, i think we need a commission like we had after the "challenger" disaster, the "exxon valdez" disaster. until we know exactly what happened, i agree with you. one has to be reluctant to keep going down this voluntary trust us self-regulation approach. absolutely.
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>> how much trouble does that -- i mentioned the shareholder lawsuit against bp by one of its own people. how much could that be in terms of trouble? the company is accused of violating the terms of its settlement after a similar suit followed after the horrible blast at texas city. what now? >> the company has been reckless. it's got the worst safety record in the business, but the fact of the matter is it is making money hand over fist. it can pay for the cleanup with four days of profits. the only thing it is going to notice is number one, very serious regulation put on the industry. number two, we've got to cut back on the oil subsidies to this industry. and number three, kerry and lieberman are going to announce a clean energy bill tomorrow. we have to get off the dirty, unsafe fuels of the 19th century and on to the clean safe fuels of the 20th century once and for all. >> and yet there is an argument being made using this. do you understand the parameters of the argument being made by some in the republican party this is a reason to drill more?
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this disaster is a reason to do more drilling? is that because we lost so much oil during this disaster we have to find more to replace the oil that the oil companies just blew? >> i think it is safe to say everything is an excuse to drill more according to conservatives. the bottom line is we can't drill our way out of this problem. we use 25% of the world's oil and we have 2% of the world's oil reserves. it is time to push energy efficiency, fuel economy and clean energy. >> joe romm, great thanks for your time once again. >> thanks for having me, keith. there is considerable finger pointing over the latest nominee to the supreme court. on the right, it is the usual impenetrable content-free nonsense. on the left about serious stuff. lawrence o'donnell for, professor marjorie cohn against the nominee elena kagan, next.
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it is refreshing there can be a substantive political
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the more authentic debate about whether elena kagan is the correct choice for the supreme court is occurring amongst progressives. we'll stage it next. what the hell is that all about, unquote? senator harkin said that while solicitor general kagan was merely being considered, since the actual nomination is growing, and more specificity from glenn greenwald -- i believe past decade speaks poorly of her. many progressives argue, and i certainly agree, that the bush/cheney governing template was not merely wrong, but spawned a constitution crisis. kagan's silence on such issues has been disputed. as we noted yet, in 2005, she
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and three other deans of major american law schools wrote to senator patrick leahy to oppose legislation by senator lindsey graham that would have stripped courts of -- quoting that her -- the american form of government was established precisely to prevent --. when dictatorships passed similar laws our government has rightly challenged such acts as fundamentally lawless. meantime republican leaders may be settling on their likely lines of attack. from the ranking republican jeff sessions. >> the nominee has thin experience, has had some very aggressive political views in her life. it's going to be critical that whoever puts on the robe of the supreme court justice that they be committed to following the law even if they don't like it, even if they wish it had been different. >> first part sounded like a self-description by the senator.
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gop senators say they want to see kagan's memos from her time as domestic policy adviser to clinton. since her public record is, as they put it, so thin. let's turn to msnbc political analyst, huffington post contributor lawrence o'donnell, who supports the kagan nomination. lawrence, good evening. >> good to be here. >> let's bring in thomas jefferson school law professor marjorie cohen, who opposes the nomination. good evening to you. >> good evening, keith. >> the kind of executive power expanded under the bush administration, some continued under the obama administration. in your assessment, how does solicitor general kagan fare on that topic? >> well, there were policies during the bush administration that led to torture and abuse of prisoners, indefinite detention of men and boys in small cages at guantanamo without charges, spying on americans without warrants, the use of military commissions, using state secrets privilege to keep people who had been tortured out of court.
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quite frankly, kagan agreed with lindsey graham last year during her confirmation hearing for solicitor general when she said that agreed we were at war. of course, this war on terror misnomer. terrorism is a tactic, it's not an enemy, you don't declare war on a tactic, and she agreed the whole word is a battlefield and prisoners could be held indefinitely. that is alarming. >> lawrence, was that statement by the then nominee for solicitor general her opinion, was it her statement of accepted law? was it an assessment of fact? what was it, in your opinion? >> based on my experience in senate confirmation hearings i would say it was a statement to get through the hearing. it was a very general statement in response to a general comment made by lindsey graham. i don't think there is enough in it to tell us how she will rule on relevant cases in that territory. that is what this is all about.
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we get into this guessing game how someone is going to perform as a supreme court justice using little tiny clues of evidence here and there in their background. this is a new game. it is a modern game. we have been wrong at it a lot. i know marjorie is a great fan of justice stevens who is considered the great liberal on the court. he was a nixon judge. richard nixon made him a federal judge and jerry ford made him a supreme court justice. i assume, marjorie, you were opposed to his nomination at the time he was raised to the supreme court? >> i think i was pretty young then so i can't quite remember. but just -- look, you had bush apointing souter. you have to look at clues, because she has such a paucity of a record.
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she hasn't been a judge. she's hardly practiced law. for someone who has been an academic at two of the nation's leading law schools, chicago and harvard she wrote no legal -- almost no legal scholarship about the important constitutional issues of the day. we have to guess where she comes down. >> lawrence, that begs a significant point. as senator harkin pointed out, why is it that it seems -- and this is a great frustration of progressives at the moment -- why does it seem the conservatives get conservative nominees to this court and liberals or progressives get question marks? >> well, the conservatives have often been fooled. as often as they have been satisfied by what they got. they were fooled by justice stevens. they were fooled by souter, and it is true the liberal moving through the confirmation process is politically more risky than the conservative. that is the accepted wisdom, the conventional wisdom within the senate on getting these confirmations done.
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elena kagan has deliberately through her career kept her own counsel on anything controversial in this hearing. when we first discussed this vacancy, i said there are manchurian candidates who have very deliberately hid what they think, so that they can build a career to get through the tortured and modern confirmation process we did not used to have as recently as pretelevision age. >> professor, are there things about this choice, this nomination that are on the record you have objections to? is there even might be a thin senator sessions term of her experience, it might be thin, but is there enough there to go on? and what in these hearings might pertain to objections on your part? >> during her solicitor general confirmation hearing she said "the constitution generally imposes limitations on
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government rather than establishes affirmative rights and thus has what might be thought of as a libertarian slant. i fully accept this traditional understanding." well, has she read the constitution lately? there is a right to counsel. there is a right to jury trial. there is a right to petition the government and on and on and on. that is worrisome. she said at another point i don't think there is a constitutional right to same-sex marriage. she counseled president clinton to ban late-term abortions. i think pro-choice people should be very, very worried about this nomination. in terms of what i would like to hear her say at the confirmation hearing, the right wingers are unabashed. they are right-wing ideologs. they are not neutral cautious moderates. they clearly have a judicial philosophy. i would love to hear her say my judicial philosophy is human
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rights are more important than property interests. my philosophy is that everybody has a right to self-determination, other countries, women over their bodies, people about who they're going to marry. those are the kinds of things i would really like to hear her say at the confirmation hearing and she's not going to. as you say, she has been hiding who she is all this time. when bush was overreaching in an unprecedented way law professors all over the country were speaking out, were writing, complaining, objecting. elena kagan was silent. that speaks volumes. >> professor marjorie cohn, from the thomas jefferson law school, author of "cowboy republic." six ways the bush gang that is defied the law. and lawrence o'donnell of msnbc and the huffington post. great thanks for the debate and for keeping it civil. >> thank you, keith. >> that was easy. >> remember, it could be worse. we could be dealing with the british elections, labor loses, conservatives don't win enough. first, the conservative lib dem deal falls through, the labor lib dem deal falls through.
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today the incumbent prime minister quits office, leadership and his seat in parliament. ahead on "countdown."
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one quick tweet of the day ripped from today's headlines from lorion. queen accepts invitation to become pm per fox news. this links to the tpm website, which quotes fox's website writing -- queen elizabeth accepts conservative party leader david cameron to become britain's prime minister.
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two days, three resignations. our third story on the "countdown," gordon brown is who was yesterday staying on as a lame-duck prime minister, is out. david cameron is in. and the man who first formed the coalition government since the second world war, democrat nick clegg will be the deputy prime minister serving to his philosophical and political opposite. just one day after announcing he would step aside by accept or so, in the hopes of sealing a coalition with nick clegg, gordon brown resigning as labor leader, as a member of the british parliament marking the end of 13 years of labor rule. >> above all, it was a privilege to serve, and yes, i love the job, not for its
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prestige and titles and ceremony, which i do not love at all. no. i love the job for its potential to make this country i love fairer, more tolerant, more green, more democratic, more prosperous and more just, truly a greater britain. >> "times of london" crediting labor fighting sinking the deal with the lib demes. mr. brown joined by his family, taking one final walk down downing street. before leaving to offer his recent ig nation for the queen. conservative david cameron making his way to buckingham palace, the 12th prime minister, winston churchill, her first, he died before cameron was born. brown heading to labor headquarters as one era came to a close, cameron and his wife arriving at their new home. the new prime minister praising the previous government, before outlining the vision for his country. >> i aim to form a proper and full coalition between the
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conservatives and the liberal democrats. i believe that is the right way to provide this country with a strong, the stable the good and decent government that i think we need so badly. nick clegg and i are both political leaders who want to put aside party differences and work hard for the common good and for the national interest. >> president obama calling mr. cameron, emphasizing his commitment to the special relationship between the two nations. just a short time ago, mr. clegg, the king maker in the equation, acknowledging his new partnership with mr. cameron. >> we are politicians clearly of different political parties but i believe we are now united in wishing to tackle the immense challenges this country faces. there will, of course, be problems. there will, of course, be
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glitches. but i will always do my best to prove that new politics isn't just possible. it is also better. >> joining me now and just back from london the u.s. managing editor for "the financial times" gillian tett. thanks for your time. >> thanks for having me on. 24 hours ago, as cumbersome as it might have seemed, it looked like the lib/dem/labor deal seemed to be set. gordon brown resigned as the lib/demes wanted what happened thereafter, do we know? >> this has been an extraordinary 24 hours for british politician. it is unusually exciting. gordon brown resigned as a last-ditch bid to create a labor/liberal democrat alliance. the torries outbid and struck a deal with the liberal dems. >> what did they get? did they get -- the price supposedly was complete voting reform, proportional representation.
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did they get that out of the conservatives? were they not offered that out of labor? >> i think it is rich to accuse the liberal democrats for behaving like harlots. they have behaved like politicians. nick clegg has tried to get the best deal with his party. cozying up with the biggest party in parliament is probably better for him, and he's played his hand pretty well. he got the key demand which was a referendum on electoral reform. it remains to be seen what actually happening in practice further down the road, but even just signalling that deal is pretty important and a victory for the liberal democrats. >> as you suggest there is some sort of first glance there would be a disbelief that this is the coalition that would work for four years or perhaps longer. can it practically work with the ideological differences between
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the two parties that are part of this deal? >> well, there certainly are ideological differences on defense and europe, the two parties are quite a long ways apart. but you have to remember two things. one thing that is very important is for the next few years is the economy. fiscal policy. what are you going to do about taxes and spending that are going to be top of the agenda. on that, there is quite a lot of room for agreement. secondly, there is an awful lot of personal chemistry between david cameron and nick clegg. those kinds of things matter when it comes to the crunch. >> to your first point, the economy, i guess there is reason for agreement because there is very little else to do in the british economy at the moment other than cut. after the vote came in inconclusive, friday we had matt frei from bbc america, and i posited the machiavellian idea that brown might think the best result for the labor party was resign, get out of the way, let the conservatives do the budgetary blood letting that the next six months are going to require, then labor poses itself
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as the good guys. i guess they didn't plan it that way but might that be the outcome? >> the reality is whoever comes in now has a very poisoned chalice. frankly, in many ways you want someone who is going to be expendable. almost like a sort of economic winston churchill, someone who can stand up and say, we need to rally around, make tough decisions but this will be the last job of my career and i will ride off into the sunset. i'm not sure they have that in place. but nobody is going to have this job being in charge of the country and being popular in a couple years' time. that's the reality. >> what is the guess on the low end of the betting line, how short a period of time that coalition may last? >> how long is a piece of string. i think the liberal democrats have incentive to make this work. they haven't been in power in a very long time. they are not in power now but closer to power than a they have been for a generation. they need to try to make it work. i think for the moment,
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david cameron recognizes he needs to try and make it work, too. for britain as a whole, we need a government that can rally people around and actually get the kind of pull together, the blitz spirit, you like, that will enable them to take the tough decisions. >> if it works it will be the damnedest thing. gillian tett, great thanks for your time. the anti-gay minister who turned to the pros from rent boy to find someone to carry his luggage has now resigned from his group that tries to "heal" gays. "worsts." just because the fireworks terrorist tried to do his thing in times square is no reason for cluster fox and friends to blame the "new york times." on "the rachel maddow show" senator bob menendez on the massive finger pointing on capitol hill at the oil spill hearings, with a special guest host. your hint, lamb chop. hey ! chocolate, vanilla, or strawberry ?
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a man who ran a therapy program to cure gays caught coming back from a trip with a gay escort. he's now resigned from the therapy program. and no more field trips. commentary tonight from michael musto. that is next, first tonight's "worst persons of the world. cited for marijuana possession in march, a man in texas, police pulled him over for driving with a suspended listen, and and the court paperwork in pot possession charge in which was allegedly wrapped some pot. runner-up, brian killmead of cluster fox and friends, do media outlets like the "new york times" aid and abet terrorists some say they do that including helping the times square bomber to plan his attack without being detected.
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if you do not know the story of florida minister george allen rekers, "a," sit down, b, her is the ten-second recap. minister claims to turn gay fellows straight. minister allegedly rents boy to carry luggage around europe. rented boy tells reporters about alleged naked massages with
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minist minister, and number one story, george allen rekers has resigned from his group that claims to cure the gay away. a candidate in florida has dragged into the controversy, and new details of the minister's relationship with his rent boy have emerged. michael musto joins me presently. this was the picture published a week ago on the "miami new times" website. reporters were tipped off that the andy gay minister, george allen rekers, the family research council, visited rentboy.com to hire a male prostitute to "carry his luggage." the rent boy with the blurred face calls himself lucienne. his actual name is giovanni roman. he confessed to naked massages, but no sex. last sunday, roman unblurred told cnn about the minister's alleged request for a cover-up. >> he just didn't want me to mention the massage aspect, you know. >> and he asked you not to? >> yeah. he had asked me not to. >> today the new times published
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new details quoting the website roman explains he gaves rekers the same massage that involves a technique the minister calls the long stroke twice before traveling together. must be a medical term. rekers gave the long goodbye to the national association of research and therapy for homosexuality, narth. it was in that capacity that he had been hired by florida in 2007 to testify as an expert witness in a trial regarding the ban on gay adoption. florida's attorney general now the republican candidate for governor paid rekers $120,000 for his expert testimony later deemed not credible. his her requesting the testimony was printed today in "the miami herald." our attorneys have searched long and hard for other expert witnesses with comparable expertise and have been unable to identify anyone available for this case.
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michael musto joins us, the village voice columnist. and author of the blog dailymusto.com. good evening, michael. >> hello, keith. >> should any of us be surprised by this particular formula? >> absolutely not. its so trite. you show me a homophobe without a rent boy, i'll show you a political candidate without a lovechild. it is a matter of moments before you find the hustler in the closet with a card swipe machine and a publicist. >> this is like a standard psychological formula, right? you can't possibly be this because you do so much to oppose it in public, correct? >> you are uncomfortable with your own leaning so you make it impossible for everyone else. abu you can't deal with it yourself. he puts the broken hip in hypocrisy. >> minister rekers helped found the family research council. i suppose, with that sort of background and the word "research" in every other organization that's connected to this, why didn't the guy just claim he
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was doing research? >> he's been researching his entire life. researching hair color, body types, confidentiality agreements, but there's no justification for what he does. he is a slime who has shattered lives with the hypocrisy. he even testified against gay adoption. his idea of gay adoption is squiring a hustler around europe for days. this is polanski family values. >> rekers claim his friend was rented to carry luggage around europe because he had a bad back. roman says there was nude massages, no sex. who are you believing? the second part of that question, this phrase "he was just carrying my luggage" that is ha been added to the electric conof colorful euphemisms? >> tiger woods has several and jesse james has a nazi one. should i pack your bags, herr james? i'm leading with roman's side of the story. a hustler never lies except for last night. if somebody needs a luggage
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carrier, you tip something a dollar, you don't tip something $200, then again, when in roman. roman. >> thank you. >> yes. sorry. the joke still works. >> the poetic license is still okay, but in terms of your jokes in terms of danger, that was like a three. isn't the worst part the reputation of this august group narth? they are shot. are there any reputable gay to straight conversion groups around and what about straight to gay conversion groups? >> there is a straight to gay conversion group. it's called liza minnelli. you date her and you start flouncing around in a boa, singing lady gaga songs. narth, should change its name, because there's a litch in there. i think they could hold up a naked picture of rekers and they would convert you immediately. without electric roe shock. >> michael musto. the blog is dailymusto.com. i'm not going say anything about that last joke. >> just a joke.
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i love you, justin, a lot. >> that is "countdown" for 2,567th day since the previous president declared mission accomplished in iraq. i'm keith olbermann. good night and good luck. more on the finger pointing with senator bob menendez. ladies and gentlemen, in for rachel maddow. here is chris hayes. >> good evening, keith. thank you so much. rachel has one measly night off, so high i am. thank you for staying with us. we have the unlikely story of a 96-0 senate vote with roots in ron paul and bernie sanders as its sponsor. we will try to explain how the underwater volcano of oil might be stanched and egypt's 30-year-long emergency, john boehner's misunderstanding of the tax rate, and the answer to every sixth grade boy's biggest question, and of course a renegade yo-yo fraud currently
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ma rau radding in the midwest. first, the big news out of washington today which was, of course, the highly anticipated congressional hearings over the bp oil spill. a disaster of a spill that continues to paralyze the gulf of mexico going on three weeks now. the thing that happens after disasters like this and after every bad thing that happens, really, is that those in the position of authority try to figure out what wept wrong, who is to blame. if you crash your car into someone and the cops show up, they want to know whose fault it was. in this case if you spill the biggest amount of oil in the ocean over 20 years, the question on the table for congress is whose fault is it? who is to blame? today we were supposed to get answers to those questions but if you have been paying attention for the last ten years, heck, if you have been paying attention for the last 100 years you know it is never quite that easy. what we got today was not so much answers but the buck stops over there blame gaming.
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